The relationships and the connections that I have now feel much more real and much more robust

than they often used to be when I was holding and carrying this belief that I had to hide my fear

from the relationship or it would damage it somehow.

Welcome to the art of accomplishment, where we explore how deepening connection with

ourselves and others leads to creating the life we want with enjoyment and ease.

I'm Brett Kisler, here today with my co-host, Joe Hudson.

Hi, everybody. This is Joe Hudson.

And this is Brett Kistler. And welcome to our podcast. Today we're going to do things a little bit differently. This is the beginning of a series that we've put together.

And the series is all about how self-discovery affects the rest of your life. And it's particularly

around interviewing CEOs who've had a moment of self-discovery that has changed their life and their business.

So, Brett, what's the self-discovery that you want to talk about?

What's the breakthrough that you feel has changed your life in the way that you've done business?

Yeah, so like many breakthroughs, this has been one that I've just had repeatedly over time, over years, but has been related to my

relationship with fear, and that fear is something to be welcomed rather than overcome.

Yeah, I remember at one point we were talking, and you said, oh, I used to think that I wasn't

scared, and now that I realize that I'm scared all the time.

What did you mean by that?

Yeah.

So growing up, I kind of developed this self-concept of like being brave and courageous.

So I didn't, I kind of judged the fear in myself, judged anxiety.

I judged anxiety and others and just felt

that I was not an anxious person. And of course, that wasn't true. Of course, there was anxiety

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