Hello and welcome to Late Night Women's Hour with me, Emma Barnett.

And sitting around this magnificent table are some suitably magnificent women.

So who do we have for this conversational bonanza?

Let me tell you.

The writer and founder of Women Who, a professional women's network, Atega Uagba,

the journalist, author and mental health campaigner Brianie Gordon, hello.

And the author and guilty feminist podcaster, Deborah Francis White.

Hello.

Hopefully the topics we bring to your attention will make you think about the world a little differently.

And Deborah, I'm going to start with you, if I may, because the Me Too movement has been on your mind.

And you wanted to talk a little bit about the wider impact it's

kind of having on our society didn't you well i think something very very interesting is happening

um first uh the lately in the last couple of weeks there have been a lot of men including

sean penn coming up publicly publicly to say that the Me Too movement has gone too far.

And whenever I hear that, I think, well, the previous women have to put up with any crap movement had a really good run.

And that seemed to run and run. That went on for millennia. And we've only been going for 25 minutes. So I think

we've got, we've got more time yet and we've, when we've got the ability to sort of sit in this

space. But what I think is really interesting is that what we are witnessing when men say, I don't even

know what to do anymore. I'm scared to talk to women. I mean, can you grow up a woman in the

workplace or not? We don't even know anymore. When men say that, and look, the vast majority of

my male friends have said that they think this is a great thing and they don't seem to be

scared to talk to women. They talk to me in exactly the same way. But some men genuinely are scared

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