Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. We have free today a round table of some remarkable

public intellectuals, many of whom you will know some of them may be new to you. We have Glen

Lowry, who is the Martin P. Stoltz professor of economics at Brown University and the host

of the Glen Show on Bloggingheads TV. We have John Wood Jr., who is the national ambassador

of Braver Angels and a quitter contributor at Quillette magazine. We have Coleman Hughes,

who is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor at City Journal.

We have Chloe Valdery, who is the founder of Theory of Enchantment. Thomas Chatterton

Williams, who is contributing writer at the New York Times magazine and a columnist at Harper's.

And we have Camille Foster, who is a partner at Freethink and an unindicted co-conspirator at the

Fifth Column Podcast. And John McWerter, who is professor of linguistics at Columbia University.

Thank you all for joining me. We have quite a situation on our hands here in the US and

in the West more generally. And to be honest, I'm not exactly sure how to start this conversation.

For one thing, the conversation is obviously in large measure about race, but I don't even feel

comfortable asserting what anyone else's race is. And I'm not even sure I know what mine is

supposed to be. So forgive me for having invited you here on the basis of having some African

ancestry. I believe that that fact is sufficient to set the conversation in motion.

And at some level, that makes me the token white in this conversation. So I guess,

is that is that some kind of progress? Maybe.

Thank you, but you also have African ancestry. All of us have entirely African ancestry.

That thank you, Chloe. I probably should have said recent African ancestry.

And I guess I should ask, recent African ancestry, is it fair to say that I'm an evolutionary

biologist? So recent to me means something like the last thousand years.

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