Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast.

I have the great pleasure of introducing you to Dr. Mike Mu, who is, I believe, the most

famous orthodontist in the world, also the most hated person in his field.

Am I correct about that, Mike?

I would worryingly think that may be correct.

Yes, and I must say, I know why it is that you're hated.

And as much as they hate you, I feel very much the opposite.

I think that you are a courageous man doing important things, and it is an honor to be

able to bring this to a larger audience.

So thank you for joining us.

Cool.

Sometimes I just think that I'm very stupid.

Well, having been the kind of stupid that you are, I know what you mean.

It's definitely not a great strategy for life, but it is an important strategy.

It's necessary that some people do what you're doing, and very few have the characteristics

to allow it.

Yeah, I think that I don't know one in their right mind would actually put themselves

into the position I'm in right now.

So do you want to say a bit about what that position is?

So I'm in an interesting situation where I, so initially I realised the issue when I

was at university studying orthodontics.

So clearly, I, you can do dentistry without an orthodontic qualification, but I thought

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