I think there was actually a headline in The Daily Beast that was, and I'm saying this verbatim,

what the f*** is wrong with Freddie Sinellas?

So I think if you've written a piece and you've titled it, what the is wrong with Freddie Sinellas,

maybe I've done my job. I don't know.

Hello and welcome. This is the Ben Shapiro Show Sunday special. We're joined today by Brett Easton Ellis, the author of among other things American Cycle and the brand new book White.

Brett, thanks so much for stopping by. I really appreciate it.

Thanks for having me, Ben.

So I have to start with the most obvious question. So you've now come out as anti-anty-Trump, and this

has become your calling card in the political world. How did you get to your anti-anty-Trump stance?

My anti-anty-Trump. Oh, yes, okay, my anti-anty-Trump stance. I didn't want to get involved

with it at all. And somehow Trump forces everybody into this narrative that's about him.

And I guess it started happening really soon after he announced he was running for president in the summer of 2015,

when he came down that escalator in the Trump Tower.

And I began to become interested in how he was being covered.

I can't say I was particularly that interested in Trump. Of course, I'd known about him since

he emerged on the scene. And I even wrote about him in American Psycho, where he is Patrick Bateman's

father figure, where Patrick Bateman keeps wanting to meet Trump, wanting to see him, wanting to know what restaurants

Trump likes.

It's throughout the book, because Trump has mentioned about 40 times in the book.

And that was because when I was doing research on the book and I was hanging out with those

guys on Wall Street, they all love Trump.

And it was something that was really, really kind of unsettling.

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