Brené with Aminatou Sow and Ann Friedman on Big Friendship

Unlocking Us with Brené Brown

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, Education, Relationships, Self-improvement

4.6 • 24.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 October 2021

⏱️ 74 minutes

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I’m talking with first-time authors and longtime podcasters — and even longer-time friends — Aminatou Sow and Ann Friedman. We’re talking about their book, Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close, and why the lack of meaningful, intimate, vulnerable friendships is almost a crisis right now. One key learning for me is how many of us believe that friendships should be easy and require little effort, when, in reality, we can’t have any meaningful relationships without putting in meaningful work. And that’s not always easy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi everyone I'm Brine Brown and this is unlocking us.
0:05.0	This week I'm talking to Aminatouso and Ann Friedman about their book,
0:12.8	Big Friendship.
0:13.8	And oh my God, I love this conversation.
0:17.1	I'm going to tell you why.
0:19.6	I think we are so desperate for intimate connection with friends. I know I am, I know my family
0:28.9	members are and one of the big mythologies I think just kind of floats in the ether is that
0:36.8	friendship should be easy and casual and not a lot of work, but I mean not to approach friendship in such an intentional way.
0:53.2	They teach us that meaningful connection requires meaningful work.
0:58.4	There has to be effort.
1:00.5	We have to show up.
1:01.6	We have to lean in. We have to be vulnerable. We have to show up. We have to lean in. We have to be vulnerable. We have to work out hard things when it's easier just to take off and shut down.
1:10.0	I love this conversation. I love the fact that we're talking about friendship
1:14.1	because I think we're desperate for it right now
1:16.2	across the culture.
1:17.8	And I can't imagine two better people
1:20.0	to talk about it than these two.
1:22.4	So if you're walking, you're going to want to take some notes on this.
1:25.8	I took like three pages of notes while they were talking. If you're hanging out at home working or
1:30.0	I clean a lot while I'm listening to podcast, just like stick a pad and pen in your back pocket.
1:34.3	Glad you're here.
1:36.3	Before Zoom info, business wins took a lot of time, energy, and patience.
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