What we're living through is a counter enlightenment, a reversal of enlightenment values themselves,

an assault on reason and truth and freedom of speech and freedom of conscience.

I was really shocked the last time I was in LA, you know, we have homeless problems in London

and we have poverty problems in London, but LA is off the scale. So they say it's their free choice,

relax. If they want to defecate in public and shoot up in public, do whatever else they want

to do in public, that's freedom, but that's not freedom. That's degradation. That is self-degradation,

but it's also social degradation. It's the unwillingness to make judgments, the criminalisation of

moral judgment, let everything happen, let everything go, you know, don't be judgy. That's, I think,

once you take away truth, you take away right and wrong and then you can't make a judgment. Yeah,

exactly.

Hello, and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kissinger.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our terrific guest today returns to the show for the third time. He's a journalist and the author

of a new book, a heretics manifesto essays on the unstable, Brendan O'Neil. Welcome back to

Trigonometry. Hi, guys. Pleasure to be here. It's great to have you back. Everybody knows who you

are at this point. So we won't do the usual who are you have you got to hear. The one thing I will

say is your new book is excellent. And one of the reasons it's excellent is that I feel like a lot of

people who have clicked to watch this, maybe, or listen to this, maybe like, well, they've had

Brendan on. We know what Brendan thinks. He believes in free speech. But actually with your new

book, you've done a great job of introducing some new ideas and some new concepts. And that,

I imagine, isn't actually an easy thing to do in the current environment where it seems like

everyone's talking about everything now. Yeah, well, that was, well, I'm pleased to hear that.

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