Hi, I'm John Stone Street, president of the Colson Center, and welcome to another edition of the

Breakpoint podcast. Today, we want to give you a sneak peek of an upstream podcast that will release tomorrow.

Upstream is the podcast that's hosted by my colleague, Shane Morris. In this episode, he talks with

Dr. Thomas Price about the divinity of Christ and creation. They discuss how the incarnation is,

as C.S. Lewis once put it, the grand miracle.

They discuss some of the most important insights from the incarnation, which is the theme of the

Advent series that we're now offering through Breakpoint. So here's Shane Morris with Dr. Thomas

Price. One of the things that Athanasius does so well, and I just read on the incarnation recently

for the first time, and it was just so stunning because I've heard lots about it, and I was lazy.

I didn't get around to it, but I did a couple of months ago.

And one of the things he does so well is demonstrate, on the one hand, the thing that evangelicals are so good at emphasizing,

which is that Jesus was God and that he had to be God. That had to be the case. No one but God

could deal with our sin and redeem the world and restore his image and so forth. But he also

talks about how that Jesus had to be man and why the Savior had to be man, not just in order

that he could have a mortal body and thereby, you know, conquered death, but so that he could

actually step into the role of man and do as man what we had to do. Because as he says,

and I'm paraphrasing, you know, the debt was incurred by man.

Well, it fell to man, therefore, to undo the debt.

But the problem is man and his sinfulness doesn't have the capacity to undo the debt.

All he has the capacity to do is fall deeper into debt and an eternal condemnation.

So what was the solution to fulfill these two necessary prerequisites? And it was that, as Lewis said, what if God became a man?

Then he could do all this stuff for us.

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