BREAKING: Wiles’ Secrets Exposed with Chris Whipple

The Lincoln Project

Government, News, Politics, News Commentary

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🗓️ 20 December 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Giving you an extra special bonus episode of The Lincoln Project podcast, Rick Wilson is joined by special guest Chris Whipple of Vanity Fair, the reporter who just detonated Trumpworld with his explosive reporting on Susie Wiles. Whipple doesn’t just recap the headlines—he reveals new secrets, pulls back the curtain on how power actually operates inside Trump’s inner circle, and explains why Wiles may be the most important—and least understood—figure in modern MAGA politics. As more breaking news unfolds, Rick and Whipple connect the dots between loyalty, control, fear, and the machinery driving Trump’s 2025 operation. If you want to understand who really runs Trumpworld—and why this story keeps getting darker—this is the episode you can’t miss.
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You can find Chris Whipple on X @ccwhip, and on his website https://chriswhipple.com/.

VANITY FAIR PIECE PART 1: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-susie-wiles-interview-exclusive-part-1
VANITY FAIR PIECE PART 2: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-susie-wiles-interview-exclusive-part-2

Rick Wilson is on X at @TheRickWilson, on Bluesky at @TheRickWilson.bsky.social, and you can check out Rick's Substack at therickwilson.substack.com. You can check out more of LP's work at www.lincolnproject.us and on X at @ProjectLincoln.

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0:00.0	And before a right's left, he had one more piece of advice.
0:04.6	Don't talk to Whipple.
0:08.8	I'm not kidding.
0:10.2	Your task will not be an easy one.
0:12.6	Your enemy is well trained, well equipped, and battlehardened.
0:16.3	There is not a liberal America and a conservative America.
0:20.0	There is the United States of America.
0:24.9	Good night and good luck.
0:26.9	Hey, everybody. It's Rick Wilson. Welcome back to a special edition of the Lincoln Project
0:29.9	podcast. I am delighted to be joined today by Chris Whipple. You have heard of Chris Whipple.
0:35.0	If you'd never had before, you sure have this week who wrote an absolutely astonishing
0:39.8	article for Vanity Fair, as everyone has probably read by now, profile of the role that
0:47.7	Susie Wiles, the White House Chief of Staff, plays in this administration.
0:51.3	And so, Chris, I want to jump right in and first off, compliment you on
0:54.9	a simply amazing profile of this, of wiles, of the dynamic around her. I think it's been
1:02.3	quite a, quite a remarkable day as everyone I think, acknowledge, a week as everyone acknowledges.
1:10.0	Thanks, Rick.
1:10.9	I appreciate it.
1:11.8	So I want to start right out. What led you to, I mean, I know you've previously written, and we've talked about you, interviewed you about it, a terrific book on White House Chiefs of Staff. Yeah. And I take it, this was sort of an extension of that, of that interest you have in this particularly powerful role.
1:29.1	Well, you know, in this case, Rick,
1:30.5	it would be, was sort of an extension of that of that interest you have in this particularly powerful role.
1:29.3	Well, you know, in this case, Rick, it was a case of every once in a law on a reporter's career
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