Hi, it's Phoebe.

This is an episode of Criminal Plus, the show I make with Lauren Spore, co-creator of Criminal.

It's very different from Criminal.

My father thinks it's the better show.

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Welcome to Criminal Plus.

I'm Phoebe Judge.

I'm Lauren, I have been on a journey.

I have been on, it's maybe one of the biggest journeys ever been on my life, and it has nothing to do with traveling.

You also have been alongside me for part of this journey over the past 10 days.

I have to say, and I don't mean this to be rude, but you have really impressed me.

We are starting something new, and that is going to be a new video series. We're going to be

releasing videos of interviews I do with people, and there'll be an audio version too, but

there will also be a video version that's going to live on YouTube.

And, you know, everyone else is doing it, so we thought, why not us?

We'll try.

We'll try. We'll try. And so because of this, because we were going to do video, and we haven't done it before, we decided that we were going to, we were going to make my studio that I'm in,

in Massachusetts a lot of the time, into more of a video studio. And that meant that for the past

four days, I have been there. I'm back in North Carolina now, but I've been there with very talented

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