All right, hey, everyone. We got an emergency podcast here with my man, Jonathan Cohn,

because just about 30 minutes ago, Donald Trump, through a series of bleats, announced,

I think he announced, it's sort of insinuated, if not outwardly announced that his

Surgeon General nominee, Casey Means, is no longer the Surgeon General nominee.

Where she's going, we don't know. He said something akin to,

she'll continue to serve the Mahal movement, but made no indication of in what capacity you could

see it right there. And instead, he is nominating Dr. Nicole B. Safar, who is a actual doctor, unlike

Casey Means.

I believe she works at Sloan Kettering, but I may be wrong about that.

I'll get that in a second.

But she's also a Fox News contributor, has been since 2018.

Yeah, she is a radiologist and director of breast imaging at Memorial Sloan Kettering.

So she's an actual doctor, which is an upgrade.

But for now, let's focus on Casey Means because Jonathan, you've been doing extensive writing,

reporting analysis of that nomination.

And it was doomed pretty much from the start.

Why did he pick her in the first place, Casey, that is?

Well, I mean, you know, he picked her because she was very much in the spirit of the RFK Jr.

Maha imperative, right?

I mean, she had gone to medical school.

Let's be clear.

She had a, you know, a medical degree from Stanford, you know, smart, very knowledgeable,

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