Breaking Things at Work with Gavin Mueller
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4.9 • 2.1K Ratings
🗓️ 3 January 2023
⏱️ 65 minutes
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Summary
As the capitalist class continues to glom onto a kind of tech-utopianism, many of us are starting to recognize not just the detrimental impacts of certain technologies on our lives, but also the lies that have been sold to us about those technologies. Despite all of the technological advancements, we're more isolated, exploited, and alienated than ever before. And it really does feel like there's a growing, popular backlash against many of the technologies of our modern world as well as a resigned realization of their false promises.
So, why is it that technological progress rarely seems to really improve our lives? Why does it feel like every new piece of software or gadget imposed onto us in our homes and workplaces more often than not adds to our stresses and leaves us with more to do?
Well, we've brought on a guest today that has a pretty clear answer to these questions. Gavin Mueller's new book, Breaking Things at Work: The Luddites Are Right About Why You Hate Your Job, seamlessly weaves together the philosophies and strategies of Luddism and Marxism, to explain why technology itself is a site of class struggle, and that, to truly understand the role of technology in our lives, we must approach the topic from a Marxist perspective — one that is infused with the critical technological perspective of the Luddites of 19th century.
In this conversation, we dispel a number of myths about who the Luddites were, what they believed, and what their goals were. We also explore a somewhat nontraditional perspective on Marxism and industrialization, what the Luddites taught us about how technology functions under capitalism, and how to resist the exploitation and alienation that often accompanies it.
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| 1:00.6 | When you look at the politics of class struggle, technology is a part of that and is not a neutral |
| 1:07.8 | force. |
| 1:08.8 | It doesn't seem clear to me that you can actually, you know, just sort of appropriate it, |
| 1:13.6 | right? |
| 1:14.6 | And so this, to me, is, this is the way that I think that is useful to think about marks |
| 1:19.8 | if we want to think from the realm of politics, rather than get these kind of broad historical |
| 1:25.8 | sweeps, right? |
| 1:26.8 | We need to think about the class struggle. |
| 1:29.2 | What is technology doing from that perspective? |
| 1:32.6 | How is it shaping the terrain of how workers kind of rebel, create spaces of autonomy, |
| 1:40.2 | organize themselves, produce practices of solidarity, all the things that create a kind |
| 1:45.7 | of strong worker's movement that can offer a political challenge to the rule of capital? |
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