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Maybe we'll have Jordan actually break. Tell us what's happening here. This is, of course, in our connection with CNN and our Supreme Court case. That's right. So we have got a case at the U.S. Supreme Court right now. I've asked the Supreme Court to take. This case is about New York Times versus Sullivan, which is defamation of public figures. And you know the definition of public figures has certainly changed with social media. Basically,

everybody can be a reporter. Everybody's putting videos up. So the definition of it versus the time

when that case came out very different. But the idea is that if you are

considered a public figure, the news doesn't just have to make a misstatement or lie or get

the facts wrong about you to file a lawsuit for defamation. You have to actually prove as the

person who was injured, that you have to prove that you were,

it was actual malice by the media organization, which is a very high standard.

So it's like they knew it was wrong and they were doing it because they wanted to hurt you.

So that standard, of course, gets into, you have to get into the minds of people.

And the burden is on the person who they lied about.

The burden is not on the CNN to show that it was an actual malice.

Somehow you, the public figure, have to show that there was actual malice, which means

getting inside a newsroom, getting inside

the heads and intent. And so as the world has changed, and as the media has changed so rapidly

with podcasts and all these issues, I mean, almost everybody could fall under the line of so many

new people, not everybody, but so many people could fall under this public figure. And then

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