The Art of Leadership Network.

Welcome to the Keri Newhoff Leadership Podcast, special edition.

And while you know our mission around here is to help you thrive in life and leadership.

So recently I sat down with Louis Giglio, Craig Rochelle, and Jenny Allen.

Louis had asked me to host a

conversation between the three of them for his podcast, the Passion City Church's platforms,

and everything they do with passion. And I got to tell you, this was just so good. I thought,

I want to bring this conversation to everybody who listens to my show. So we sat down and what I appreciate about the

three of them, I mean, there's a long list, but Jenny, Craig, and Louis have really opened up

about their own personal struggle. And it's easy to admire people from afar, maybe even the

Passion Conference or If Gathering or Life Church or the Global Leadership Summit

and you think, oh, I wish I could be as strong or resilient as they are.

And then one of the scripts that always played in my mind when I was a younger leader is,

oh, I bet they don't struggle with what I do.

Well, the thing about Louis and Jenny and Craig is that they've really opened up over the last seven or eight years about the struggles that they have had, the struggles that almost took them out.

And this is something that's becoming a bit of a mission for me.

I want to keep you in ministry, in the game of life, much longer, much healthier.

And conversations like this really open up the way. So thanks to Louis

and the team of passion for letting us share this on our feed. But here is my conversation with

Louis Giglio, Jenny Allen, and Craig Grishell. Well, welcome to a very special episode of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Neuhoff, not the typical host,

but really honored to have been invited by Pastor Louis to come on and have a conversation

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