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Women at Work wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the HBR Ideacast from Harvard Business Review. I'm Kurt Nickett. Each year the survey firm Gallup asks employees about how they feel about their work

and last year in the United States just one out of every three people surveyed reported they're engaged in their work.

The other two said they're not, meaning they're psychologically unattached to their employer and company,

and they put time into their work, but not passion or energy.

Or they're even actively disengaged,

meaning they're miserable and spread their unhappiness to others.

It's a dismal ratio.

Today's guests argue that a big reason for this widespread disengagement

is the out-of-date structures that still dictate the doing of our jobs, those entrenched

systems that we've all come to know as bureaucracy. And they say as much as we love to

load it, we haven't been able to shake it. They've been studying the ways in which

bureaucracy continues to bog us down and they've been working with large businesses that are

successfully breaking through the layers of management to empower workers at scale.

Gary Hamill is a visiting professor at London Business School.

He co-founded, along with Michaela Xenini, the management lab, a consulting firm, and they wrote

the new book, Humanocracy, Creating Organizations as Amazing as the People Inside Them.

Gary, thanks for being here.

It's a pleasure.

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