So the chaos ensued. There is no agreement the president extended the ceasefire three to five days.

And you, and Kellogg says, hey, you know what? I would just say, let's finish the job.

What does Admiral William McRaven think? He's retired U.S. four-star Admiral, served on the Ninth Command,

the Ninth Commander of the United States Special Operations Command command and the author of a brand new book

perfect for 250 called duty honor country and life a tribute to the american spirit admiral

always great to have you have you're good to be with you so we hit the ground running that's one

lieutenant general's opinion about where to go from here love yours yeah well one i i love keith kellogg

it's uh always enjoyable listening to him on Fox.

I probably disagree with him in some respect.

So I actually, I teach a class at the University of Texas, the OBJ School of Public Affairs, on national security decision making.

And I put the students in a simulated, you know, situation room. They play members of

the National Security Council. And I give them a framework for thinking about, you know, how are you

going to make national security decisions? And one of the things I tell them is you have to ask

yourself, the decisions you make and the actions you take, will you be in a better strategic

position after you do this? So as we think about where we are in the decisions you make and the actions you take, will you be in a better strategic position

after you do this? So as we think about where we are now, what does the president want

out of this? I think the president wants the Straits of Hormuz to be open, and he would

certainly like to get the nuclear material back in his hands, or at least he'd like to convince

the Iranians not to enrich more past the 60 percent that some of this highly enriched Iranian is. You're going to have to get them to the bargaining table, to the negotiation table to do that. Right now, I think the only way to do that is to say, look, we will lift the blockade. And I know that's not popular, but the blockade is a switch. You can turn it on, you can turn it off. We will lift the blockade.

You come to the negotiation. It's just like the ceasefire. But you actually unblocked the straight too, right? Well, the straight is to some degree open a little bit. We haven't blockaded the straight. We blockaded the ports. No, I know. Would you also tell Iran open up the straight? Absolutely.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

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