Abortion has been the law of the land since Roe versus Wade for nearly 50 years.

So for a lot of us in the pro-life movement, Roe has overshadowed our entire lives.

And we've gone about our pro-life work with Roe as this constant presence looming over us. Now, after Rose reversal on June 24th, it's a new dawn.

It's the first time many of us are working to change minds, to save lives, to serve women

and families in a post-Roe era. Today's guest is an expert in the art of changing minds,

primarily on matters of faith and also the issue of abortion. Trent Horn is a Catholic convert

like myself, and he shares his skills in defending the faith on radio and public debates as a professor

at Holy Apostles College through books

and through his own podcasts at Council Trent.

So join me today on explicitly pro-life

as we have a conversation with Trent Horn

about changing minds in a post-runer because I wanted

to hear from you what you are hearing and how your work as a pro-life apologist has changed since the fall of

Roe versus Wade. Well, a lot. I'm sure you feel the same way that you have, well, you have,

honestly, during the period when Roe was active, I think one of the biggest

struggles we had was getting people to talk about abortion at all. It was just a subject

that nobody wanted to talk about. And the other side, the pro-choice side, knew that as long

as nobody talked about it, they won. Because under Roe, abortion was legal in a state. Basically,

it was legal if there was an abortionist willing to perform an abortion. So I think the only

thing that kept the state from having late-term abortion was that they're just weren't enough.

I mean, it's grisly enough to be an abortion provider, only the most hardened of hard to do

like the late term abortion things. So you only have certain states where they'll even set up

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