Hi, this is Natalie Hoffman of Flying Free Now.com, and you're listening to the

Flying Free Podcast, a support resource for Women of Faith, looking for hope and healing from hidden

emotional and spiritual abuse.

Welcome to episode 34 of the Flying Free Podcast. Today I have with me Judy Herman,

a speaker and the author of the book Beyond Messy Relationships. Judy is also a licensed professional counselor

and mental health service provider and today she is going to be giving us insight into

family of origin stuff, how covert abuse shows up in

couples counseling, as well as an important tool to help us get unstuck and move

forward.

If you stick around to the end,

you'll find out how to get another free downloadable tool

as well as links to other helpful resources

for your healing journey.

Are you ready? Let's get started.

Judy, I just want to welcome you to the flying free podcast today.

I'm so glad to be here, Natalie. I think a divine appointment actually I think you have some

awesome brave women who are listening in and I'm just very honored that you asked and very honored to be here.

Thanks so much.

Oh, well, say, you know, this, I'm really excited about the topic that we're going to be talking

about today because it's something that I've actually been going back and

working through myself and it has to do with family of origin issues and one of the

things I've noticed for myself and for the women that I work with is that we figure, when we're waking up and figuring out what happened in our marriage and what's going on there, we, it also uncovers a lot of stuff about our growing up years.

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