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Breaking Deadlock

Campus Files

Audacy

Documentary, Society & Culture, History

4.67.2K Ratings

🗓️ 20 August 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Lately you’ve probably been hearing about the Department of Education a lot as the Trump administration moves to dismantle it. For many, this move feels shocking and unprecedented. In reality, it's just the latest chapter in a long-running battle over who controls education in America. For a transcript of this episode: https://bit.ly/campusfiles-transcripts To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You've heard of the Department of Education.

0:35.5

And lately, you've probably been hearing about it a lot.

0:38.9

The Trump administration has announced plans to dismantle it.

0:42.6

And for many, the move feels shocking, even unprecedented.

0:47.2

On March 20th, President Trump signed this executive order, which is aimed at closing the

0:51.7

U.S. Department of Education and giving authority to the states.

0:56.0

But in reality, it's just the latest chapter in a long-running battle over who controls education in America,

1:02.0

a battle that stretches all the way back to the Civil War and intersects with nearly every turning point in U.S. history,

1:09.0

from World Wars to the space race to one of the

1:12.0

country's most infamous cults. This week, we're digging into that history, tracing the

1:18.0

federal government's evolving role in education and how the Department of Education ultimately

1:22.9

became a cornerstone of American life.

1:29.2

I'm Margo Gray.

1:31.2

This week on Campus Files, Breaking Deadlock.

1:42.0

There's never been a time in all American history or colonial history that there wasn't intense national attention on what schools were doing.

1:51.7

That's Adam Lotz, a historian and leading expert on American education. He knows better than most.

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