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Welcome back to the breakdown.

It is Tuesday, April 21st, and today we are continuing our exploration of what comes next.

We've been in this crazy, liminal, in-between moment where it feels like the superstructure of the economy and society around us

is shifting in ways that are both new but also accelerated by virtue of the coronavirus and

the shutdowns and the economic fallout from all of that. And I think we're now at a point

where a lot of us are trying to make sense

of what happens next. How do we understand the second, third, fourth order effects in a way that

allows us to actively walk towards them or understand our place within them rather than just kind of

letting them happen to us? I think there's a real hunger to interact and act upon

the future rather than just letting it act upon us as we have been acted upon by this COVID-19 crisis.

So today my guest is Joe McCann. Joe is a really interesting, very diverse thinker. He's

currently at Microsoft. He's spent years in the open source community,

in technology communities, in the crypto communities. He's been a regular markets trader and a

crypto trader. He's run crypto startups and fundraised in the venture capital market. So

really interesting and diverse perspective. But he recently published an essay called the New

New World Order. and today we effectively

go through a bunch of his arguments. This was an essay that was a way for him to explore

the second and third order effects. It starts with localism and the beginning of the end of

globalization, leading into the roaring 20s of inflation as manufacturing comes back home

and UBI becomes the backstop from the sticker shock of prices of goods inevitably rising in the

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