Big tech platforms from the U.S. think that because they're American, they have to play by their rules.

But when you're in someone else's country, you play by our rules. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us made in partnership with The Nation magazine.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Laius Martens.

Lais is a tech reporter at the Intercept Brazil and has been doing a lot of fantastic work looking at a

number of tech-related issues in Brazil in recent months and years, and I thought it would be a

good time to have a conversation about those things. I feel like a lot of people heard about

Twitter or X being banned from Brazil last year because it was refusing to carry through orders

from Brazil's Supreme Court.

But I feel like for many of us, the exploration stopped there. But there has been a lot of

interesting developments happening in Brazil on tech policy. You know, not all of them

great things. But I feel like especially at a time when we see the United States being increasingly

belligerent toward countries that are regulating its tech companies and trying to make sure that

they align with the values of the countries that they actually operate in instead of just

pushing American values out to the world and expecting that they won't be regulated because they

don't want to be. That it's about time we look at how things are working in other parts of the

world to see that it's about time we look at cases like Brazil and what is happening in other

countries to understand how things could potentially work differently and also to try

to encourage those countries to actually have the

courage to push through on this because there's always a lot of criticism and a lot of lobbying

that happens when any country or government tries to restrict the power and authority of these

very dominant American tech companies. So in this interview, we talk about what actually happened with the orders against

Twitter X and also against Rumble.

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