Welcome to Beg to Defer, The Bullworks Weekly Roundtable discussion featuring civil conversation across the political spectrum.

We range from center left to center right.

I'm Mona Charinth, indicated columnist and policy editor at the Bulwark, and I'm joined

by our regulars Bill Galston of the Brookings Institution

in the Wall Street Journal, Linda Chavez of the Nips-Scanons Center, and Damon Linker,

who writes the Sub-St newsletter, Eyes on the Right.

Our special guest this week is Ken White,

former federal prosecutor and currently defense attorney,

who also writes a sub-stack newsletter called the Popat report and who until recently was a I think

it's fair to say a Twitter star a follow that was kind of essential if you were in that world, but can you

resigned from that? Before we get into our first topic, which is going to concern

Trump's legal troubles, sort of Tour d'Oizan.

I cannot help but ask the origins of Popat.

What does that come from?

Well, it's actually not a religious reference.

It's an old inside joke among friends.

There was a friend who was very good at origami

and would make a Pope's hat out of a dollar bill.

And when he wore it it he was pretty much

undefeatable in poker and so I thought that just as Pope's speak with

infallibility and he played with infallibility.

People on the internet tend to speak as if they have infallibility,

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