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We can talk about selection until the cows come home, but the kinds of people who are kind of either being raised in or selecting into more religious and or more conservative milieus are more likely to embrace the kinds of values and virtues

that put them on a path towards marriage and tend to increase their odds of succeeding in marriage as well, both measured in terms of marital happiness and in terms of marital stability generally.

So I think the lesson for liberals though is to kind of maybe, you know, do we want to maybe rethink to some extent how we're approaching the life

course and how much you know value that we that we would sort of endow marriage

with and that's the challenge I'm offering to your audience and now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

My guest today is Brad Wilcox.

Brad is a professor of sociology at the University of Virginia

as well as a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. He is the author of Get Married

and that's what he wants you to do. He argues in his work that being

married and staying married has great results not just for the children who

grew up in those stable households but also for the married people themselves that it boosts their happiness and their income and all kinds of other important metrics.

I gave Brad a good workout for his argument argument trying to think through whether what matters really is marriage

over a set of personal attributes and cultural attitudes that people who are likely to get married may also possess.

And we also talked about another interesting finding which is that in recent surveys there's

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