And what they will say is, look, I'm compelled by the technology, but I don't want the next Gary Gensler to change their position.

And Paul Atkins has been incredibly positive, I think, for the United States and certainly for the credibility of the SEC.

But there will be another Paul Atkins after Paul, who we don't know which side of this argument they're going to fall on.

Hopefully, the trend line has moved far enough.

We don't go back no matter what.

But codified into law means you kind of can't go back.

I'm not the only one excited to hear from Brad Garlinghouse. Places filling up.

Huge star in our industry and somebody for whom we can...

But the big news is from you.

No, the big news is going to be from you.

We need another Coindex consensus exclusive.

So I want to go right into it.

By the way, he has liberty to ask me questions as well.

I'm the moderator, but we agreed back. We decided it's going to be a two-way interview.

So Brad, I want to go back, just a bit of an icebreaker. It's actually something I've always wondered.

So for those of you who don't know, Brad had a very successful career, Silicon Valley, was an advisor to Silver Lake. He was well known for

some of his strategic, strategic musings slash antics. And then all of a sudden he takes a job

working for the CEO of this company that nobody's heard of, doing relatively nothing. What is it that

got you to say, I'm going to Ripple in 2015?

Well, I will tell you one quick story on this. Mike Arrington, who's a kind of well-known pundit

as well, and now also kind of in the crypto industry, he said to me when I took the Ripple job,

he said, Brad, in a long list of shitty decisions,

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