Hey guys, welcome to episode 248 of the podcast. Boys of Summer rages on with my wonderful

wonderful guest Bob Ruff from the Truth and Justice podcast.

If you are a fan of serial at all or undisclosed or just have a basic awareness

of the Adnan Saeed case, I feel very comfortable saying that Bob played an integral role in investigations

that ultimately led to a non getting a new trial.

But above and beyond that, for those of you who are not kind of true crime

podcast Ephicianados he is just a wonderful person and I really really

enjoyed talking with him.

So I hope you enjoy this episode, I feel sure you will,

and I'll talk to you next time on the podcast.

Now entering nerdist.com. I'm going to be here. So what do you have a sense of someone we both have a sense of each other that has nothing to do with us already knowing each other, right?

Right, yeah, just from listening to each other on other podcasts. I mean, I guess there's a, I'm sure there's versions of that that have existed through the ages where, you know,

I'm about to compare, what am I?

I'm comparing us to like Picasso and Einstein?

This is already becoming extreme.

I'm yeah, I'm already making us sound like complete assholes.

But like, you know, back in the day when someone would be like oh I've read your writing oh I I enjoy

your scientific theories but the but the sort of like the sort of like mutual fan of each

other's podcast but running in different circles thing feels

so two thousands to me it really is just like this very specific phenomenon.

Yeah you know I just had a similar experience last week when I went to the crime con.

Did you hear the crime con convention in Indianapolis?

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