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The Lawfare Podcast

Boys Be Not Proud, with Roger Parloff

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 12 January 2023

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

It's Proud Boys Trial Day at the E. Barrett Prettyman Courthouse in Washington, DC, when five leaders of the right wing paramilitary gang go on trial in a 10-count seditious conspiracy indictment.

To talk about this second major seditious conspiracy indictment, Lawfare editor-in-chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare senior editor Roger Parloff, who will be there live blogging it for the site. They talked about how it compares with the Oath Keepers case, which wrapped up over the fall. They talked about how the evidence is different, the Proud Boys being a bit more into the whole violence thing than the Oath Keepers. They talked about whether there was a plan, and they talked about whether the defendants can get a fair trial in the overwhelmingly Democratic District of Columbia.

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Also, check out LawFair's other podcast offerings,

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rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath.

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There was a really remarkable bats and challenge after the preemptories were exercised.

0:39.0

The defense did make a bats and challenge that alleged the prosecutors were striking too many white males.

0:49.0

And they did actually also mention in passing that three Republicans were struck.

0:56.0

The judge found essentially that not even a prima facie case was made.

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I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast January 12, 2023.

1:09.0

It's Proud Boys trial day at the Barrett Prettyman courthouse in Washington, DC.

1:16.0

Five leaders of the right-wing paramilitary gang go on trial today in a ten-count seditious conspiracy indictment.

1:25.0

And Roger Parloff, LawFair senior editor, will be there live blogging it for the site.

1:31.0

You can find the live blog in the show notes of this podcast and on the LawFair site as well as on his Twitter feed.

1:40.0

But Roger joined me, the eve of the trial in the virtual jungle studio,

1:46.0

to talk about this second major seditious conspiracy indictment.

1:52.0

We talked about how it compares with the Oathkeeper's case, which wrapped up over the fall.

1:58.0

We talked about how the evidence is different, the Proud Boys being a bit more into the whole violence thing than the Oathkeeper's.

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We talked about whether there was a plan and we talked about whether these guys can get a fair trial in the overwhelmingly democratic district of Columbia.

2:19.0

It's the LawFair podcast January 12, boys be not proud with Roger Parloff.

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So Roger, you covered for LawFair the Oathkeeper's trial in its entirety.

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