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From the Abraham Lincoln Radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center,

Jack Armstrong and Joe Gettie.

The Armstrong and Gettie Show.

I think it deserves serious consideration. I think we need to look at the gamut of

options that are out there for us. We need to calculate the risk and be smart about it.

I think you have to, at that point, consider a no-fly zone.

I think is a pretty logical next step, but I'll give you a halfway house.

That would be going back to the idea of getting fighters in the hands of the Ukrainians.

And I get all the puts and takes of that.

So you want Ukraine to do the no-fly zone?

They would basically be the ones to do it next.

NATO is actually, is that the goal in this case?

So that's Admiral James Strovidis, who is on well, so with a former ambassador.

And they both were for a no-fly zone.

And the admurls take, I saw him on MSNBC today.

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