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Thank you for listening. A quick word. Since recording this episode, both the prosecution and defense rested their cases. In fact, the defense opted not to call any witnesses.

Closing arguments are scheduled for Thursday, May 11th.

She said that she would cut me up.

And something about that she wasn't in the mental place to do that, but that she would get herself in that place and be able to do it.

But that she didn't want to have to because it would be so messy and there be so much blood.

And that didn't believe. Something about trash bags. And I think she would bury me worse. She would know whatever, find me.

I'm Jonathan Vigliotti. You just heard the voice of Audrey Barrettero, a former friend of Lori Belodebel's, who claims Lori threatened to kill her.

We'll hear more from her during this week's special 48 hours update, along with other people who were close to Lori and Chad.

This is the fifth week of testimony on Lori Debel's trial for the murders of her two youngest children, Joshua J.J. Vallow and Tyler Ryan.

She's accused, along with her husband Chad Debel of J.J. and Tylee's murders, as well as the murder of Chad's late wife, Tammy Debel.

They've both pleaded not guilty and Chad Debel's trial will occur at a later date.

The 48 hours team has been reviewing hours of court audio to bring you the key moments from the trial.

And this week 48 hours producer, Liza Finley is joining us. Liza led production on all three of our prior television episodes on this case.

She was the first 48 producer I worked with. Welcome, Liza. Glad to have you here.

Thank you. Thank you, Jonathan. It's great to be here. It's been a long road.

It has. And this has been a difficult road and a difficult case from the start. And I wonder how it compares with other ones you've covered.

Well, you know, I've been reporting on true crime for so many years. But some get lodged in your memory. And this is one of them.

We have been on this story since it broke over three years ago, watching it unfold as it did, you know, ending with a gruesome death of the two children.

And that was heartbreaking. I thought everyone you and I and everybody had been covering this was rooting for a happy ending.

And there have been so many and answer questions along the way. And I finally feel listening to this riveting testimony that we were finally getting a clearer picture of what investigators say happened and why.

One thought I've wrestled with throughout this journey goes back to a time magazine cover I remember seeing in 1991.

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