Hi and welcome to the A16Z podcast. I'm Doss and this episode is Boss Talk with A16Z co-founder Ben Horowitz and Databric CEO

Ollie Goetzee, all about leadership and management.

Their conversation originally took place on Social Audio App Clubhouse,

where they host a live chat every Tuesday at 5 PM Pacific.

You can find more of their and other conversations on our separate feed A16Z live.

Here though we're sharing the second installment of their show.

In it Ben and Ali cover Conway's Law and shipping your org chart,

making the transition from being a boss to a

boss of bosses, Silicon Valley post-pandemic, and more.

Okay, so today on Boss Talk we've got it, We're going to have a special beginning because many of you know my

background because I wrote a book which went through my whole background but you might not know

Ali's background as well and his is even more interesting and I think that it's really relevant because you know when you get into these discussions about how to run an organization and how to make decisions and all these things.

They're all very situational.

There is no kind of one way to do any of it and it's really important that you know where

people are coming from to know what to do with what they're saying.

So this is going to be a kind of a very kind of important basis for the show.

So Ali, could you take us back to Iran?

And your uncle was one of the founders of OPEC.

Yeah, wow, I didn't even know you remember that.

Yeah, he was.

Yeah, yeah, he was, you know, one of the like five oil directors and, you know, they, you know, that part of the family had it well.

But actually not so much on my parents side they were sort of in opposition and I was born right around the

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