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avante west coast feel good travel Hi I'm Stephen and I'm Helen and in this week's new states and podcast first up we talk

about Boris Johnson and the burka we ask how radical is Jeremy Corbyn's agenda and

I talked to Francis Crook of the Howard League about prisons policy and a new series of things that are not Brexit.

Stephen, do we have to talk about Brexit?

No, instead, I think we should talk about the Father, Godfather, Midwife.

Ugh, of Brexit.

The Dr Frankenstein of our leave vote.

Very nicely done.

Doctor, not the monster.

Well, arguably the doctor.

And the monster of Brexit.

Yeah.

Boris Johnson.

So this isn't his debut column since his return to the Telegraph, which is another issue than I have

a number of feelings about.

Right, because that should have gone through presumably a cabinet committee to say that it was okay for him to do that

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