Hello everyone. It's the JVL here with my best friends, Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the bulwark.

Sarah... He's doing this now with the the JVL. I thought it was a JVL.

Earlier in the day, the JVL felt a disturbance in the force.

And then I realized that it was happening.

I was being invoked to you, not by you, to you, on Nicole Wallace's show.

This was a nightmare.

How was that for you?

I was doing Nicole, and I was on for the whole hour, I was on with Heilman. And it was a perfectly normal show. And then we were talking about the Supreme Court and the 14th Amendment, which is the birthright citizenship. And I was, I was feeling good because I had just read the clause off my phone on live television to be like, this is completely straightforward.

Like, this is a constitutional question.

It's not a public opinion question.

It's not up for debate.

And John Heilman goes, well, I had your colleague Jonathan V. last on my podcast today.

And he told me there's nothing the Supreme Court can do about it.

And I just started laughing. And Nicole was like, what's happening? And I was like, okay, John, you picked my bleakest colleague.

And he literally was like, well, do you think JVL's right? And I was like, don't make a joke about JVL always being right.

Like we are not on the bulwark right now.

This is too in group for television.

But it was weird.

Yes, you hung like a specter over the show.

Like, uh, Tim. I first have good things about that podcast you did with Heilman.

I haven't listened to it myself.

Like the Holy Spirit. I'm like the Holy Spirit. I'm everywhere. The fruits of the spirit descending upon my my disciples,

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