Ridiculous history is a production of I Heart Radio. The Welcome back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you as always so much

for tuning in. Let's hear for the man the myth the legend super producer Mr Max Williams

Max Max Max there we can I am Ben Bullen you are Noel Brown and this is a fun one for us because I think in

Over the years we've both been fascinated with this weird idea this very particular kind of book.

Well, shout out to stuff you missed in history class, a show that I long was the producer for when I first started at how stuff works back in the day and they were

the first ones that ever mentioned the Voyage manuscript and the Kodak Seraphania and things like the

antichithra mechanism, you know, a lot of these sort of like, is it, isn't it real kind of things, you know, throughout history that are, is it an elaborate prank?

Was it just drummed up by some really creative individual

and then thrown out there into the world

for people to figure it out for themselves?

We're gonna talk about all of those things today.

Yeah, this is something that we've always found

fascinating and strange as you said in a number of shows. The best way to start with

this is just books books are so cool if you think about it they're like a kind of time

machine they're almost like necromancy because a dead author is speaking directly to you

if you could understand a book, you're traveling into a

distant place and time. And I think, honestly, I was talking about this with our friends at

Daly Zeitgeist, I think hearing an audio book is I was talking about this with our friends at Daily Psychgeist.

I think hearing an audio book is just as valid as reading one.

I think it's the same thing.

Well, I think some people just have different modalities of learning and absorbing information that work for them.

Like our dear friend of the show, Lauren Vogelbaum says, audio just does not grab them.

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