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From WBEZ Chicago, I'm Greta Johnson, and this is the Nerdat Book Club. It's just like a

regular book club, except we don't actually know if you never read the book. This month, we are discussing

Mackiah Johnson's The Space Between Worlds. It's a super thoughtful and action-packed

sci-fi novel with a lot of heart. If you have not read the book and you do not want any spoilers,

you're in luck. is a spoiler free author

interview in the feed that is what you should be listening to because today we are going to unpack

the out of this book my guest this month's our northwestern lecturer arean nettles hi ariyan

hello and we have the co-host of npr's through line podcast romtina r bluey romtine hey yo how are you

good how are you good good i'm ready yes okay so i'm really curious if each of you are typically

sci-fi fans like romtine especially like is this a book that you would have picked up

if I hadn't been like, hey, dude, do you want to read this book with us for Book Club?

Yeah, actually, I'm a huge sci-fi nerd, if that's the right word. It's my favorite genre of book

to read. So I was super excited. Oh, awesome. I had seen this book on a list of books that someone had recommended to me that

were coming out this year to check out. So, you know, having the occasions to not only read it,

but then chat with you all about it was very exciting. So yeah, this is, and I think you'll see as

we get into it, I've, you know, as I read this book, I compared it to a lot of the other sci-fi books that I've read and some of the

themes that they touch on. And I think really clever ways that Makaya kind of diverted from those

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