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Book Club: Four Lost Cities

Outside/In

NHPR

Society & Culture, Documentary, Natural Sciences, Nature, Science

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 26 August 2021

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Science journalist and sci-fi novelist Annalee Newitz thinks and writes a lot about the future. But in their latest book, Four Lost Cities: A Secret History of the Urban Age, Annalee looks at the distant past in four ancient cities: Pompeii (of the Roman Empire), Angkor (of the Khmer empire in modern day Cambodia), Catalhoyuk (the first known city in the world in today’s Turkey), and Cahokia (an indigenous city near what’s now St. Louis, Missouri). Through these four cities, Annalee explores the past to understand our future. And, in the face of the existential threat of climate change, we talk about what the stories of these cities can tell us about humanity’s possible future. The next Outside/In book club pick is Fuzz: When Nature Breaks the Law by Mary Roach. It comes out on September 14, 2021. Don’t forget to tag us @OutsideInRadio on Twitter and Instagram, and use the hashtag #ReadingOutsideIn to share your thoughts and questions about Four Lost Cities or Fuzz! SUPPORT Outside/In is made possible with member-support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In. Subscribe to our newsletter LINKS Four Lost Cities: A Secret History of the Urban Age CREDITS Host: Justine Paradise Written and reported by Felix Poon Edited by Justine Paradise, Erika Janik, and Taylor Quimby Executive Producer: Erika Janik Mixed by Felix Poon Music by Breakmaster Cylinder Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Heads up, there are a couple swears in this episode.

0:03.6

Okay, here's the show.

0:07.4

This is Outside In, a show about the natural world and how we use it.

0:10.8

I'm Justine Paradise here with producer Felix Poon.

0:13.6

Hey, so today's episode is the second Outside In Book Club featuring science journalist

0:19.6

Annaly Nuitz.

0:20.6

Annaly Nuitz is someone who talks and writes a lot about the future.

0:24.4

One of their novels is called The Future of Another Timeline, a sci-fi crime story that

0:29.1

involves time travel.

0:31.0

And they host two podcasts, one that's called Deep Futures, in which Annaly invites us

0:35.8

to quote, escape into the distant future to learn what's coming.

0:39.7

So clearly, Annaly thinks a lot about the future and the human species.

0:44.1

And when they try to imagine possible futures, they often draw on the ancient past.

0:48.8

And so for example, if I'm writing about the world in 150 years, I like to look back

0:53.2

150 years and find out, well, how different things really were, you know, like, are

0:58.8

there continuities?

1:00.8

What are the surprising continuities?

1:02.5

What are the complete drastic differences?

1:05.5

And so I think it's really important, especially right now, when I think we all know that

1:09.7

we're at an inflection point in human civilization, that we think about what happened the last

1:16.0

time we had civilizations that were becoming unstable or transforming really rapidly.

1:29.5

For this month's outside-in book club, we spoke with science journalist Annaly Newitz about

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