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Hey friends. Thanks for being here today. Listen, there is almost no topic that I discuss that I get more incoming flack for than book bands.

There is just something about it that really grind some people's gears. And that is all the more reason to talk about it.

So my guest today is Suzanne Nossel, who is the CEO of Penn America,

an organization that works to ensure the free expression of writers, authors, and readers in the United States and around the world.

So let's step in.

I'm Sherrod McMahon. And here's

where it gets interesting. I am really excited to be chatting today with Suzanne Nassel. Thank you so

much for your time. Thank you, Sharon. I have long admired the work that your organization does. And I wonder

if you could fill us in on the type of

work that Penn America does just in case somebody is not familiar with what you do.

Sure, absolutely. I'd be delighted. We are an organization with a mission to both celebrate

and defend freedom of expression worldwide. So on this kind of

celebration side of the organization, if you will, we give out the country's most comprehensive

program of literary awards, the Penn America Awards. They've been called the Oscar of Books by

Vanity Fair and the New York Times. We give out awards for fiction and nonfiction and

biography and playwriting, a wonderful ceremony to celebrate authors. We do literary programs.

Now all across the country, we have 10 chapters as well as offices in New York City, Los Angeles,

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