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The Beat with Ari Melber

BONUS: Yuval Noah Harari on The Beat

The Beat with Ari Melber

Ari Melber, MS NOW

Politics, Government, News, Versant, Ms Now, Daily News, Versant Media

4.64.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 September 2024

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

In this podcast extra, MSNBC's Ari Melber is joined by "Nexus" author Yuval Noah Harari for an extended interview on truth, misinformation, Donald Trump and more. To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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0:00.0

Speaking his return to the beat is, Yoval Noah Harare, the renowned historian and

0:04.2

professor has authored some of the most influential non-fiction books today, Sapiens,

0:07.7

has over 45 million copies in circulation in over 60 languages.

0:11.8

Barack Obama recommended it as essential reading

0:15.2

for understanding the history of civilization

0:17.7

while tech titans have recommended or clashed

0:20.3

with Harare's AI and and Tech Theories for years.

0:23.7

His new book, Is Nexus, a brief history of information networks from the Stone Age to AI?

0:30.6

Welcome back.

0:31.6

Thank you. It's good to be here. Great to have you in person. Like many people I've read a lot of your works including the new one nexus

0:37.8

you offer a different lens for information and a focus not only on whether something is true or false but

0:46.9

what the information does. How does that lens apply to some of the propaganda that our viewers are very familiar with in America

0:55.7

say Donald Trump lying about the election.

0:58.4

Hmm.

0:59.4

Well the key thing to realize about information is that information isn't truth.

1:04.8

Most information in the world is not truth because the truth is a very costly and rare kind of

1:12.2

information. This kind of information.

1:13.3

This kind of very naive thinking

1:15.5

that if we just flood the world with more and more

1:18.5

information, the truth will float up,

1:21.1

it won't.

1:21.9

It will sink to the bottom if you want to write a true story

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