Hey guys, this is Ari Melbert, and this is one of our bonus episodes on some really important stuff

and something I know a lot of you care about here on The Beat with Ari Melbert podcast.

We're looking specifically at how terrorism and white supremacy and mass murder does work in America.

The first thing you're about to hear is something I did that, well, it did get some attention.

It's my attempt to debunk the very dangerous claims by some Trump allies that white supremacy itself is a hoax.

That may sound obviously untrue, but we deal in facts and evidence.

And what you're about to hear first is the exact facts you need to know,

so you can know them and maybe share them to the extent this comes up in your life.

That's followed by a discussion on dangerous ties between hate speech and hate crimes with some experts.

Then our friend of the show, Dr. Jason Johnson and Heidi Burke, talked to us about the statistics of the way white

nationalist terrorism is rising in America. And that's followed by a discussion with Jamil Smith

from Rolling Stone, who went deep on some of these issues. And it's a one-on-one conversation

that we think is worthwhile. You hear all of that up ahead on this special bonus episode of the Beat with

Ari Melburgh podcast. Now we turn to the facts you need to know as America reckons with renewed

discussions of white supremacy and terror in the wake of El Paso. Some of the politics can get in

the way of the facts because some of Trump's allies are now falsely denying that white supremacy itself is a problem in America.

Fox is Tucker Carlson kicking up a firestorm this week with new comments claiming white supremacy is just a hoax.

If you were to assemble a list, a hierarchy of concerns of problems this country faces,

where would white supremacy be on the list?

Right up there with Russia, probably.

It's actually not a real problem in America.

White supremacy, that's the problem.

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