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🗓️ 2 August 2025

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Summary

Some disputes resist an easy “good vs. evil” dynamic, but when one side calls their plans “Operation Satanique,” it’s not too hard to figure who “the baddies” are. Guest: Dan Kois, Slate writer. Articles mentioned in this piece: The Last Days of the Rainbow Warrior Why We Keep Putting Up With Martin Short Who Killed the Segway This Is the Correct Way to Divide Public Bathrooms Who Won the World Cup of Arm Folding? Also mentioned: What Next: The Lawsuit Scaring Protesters. This episode is member-exclusive. Listen to it now by subscribing to Slate Plus. By joining, not only will you unlock exclusive episodes of What Next —you’ll also access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the What Next show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Madeline Ducharme. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	heads up here before we get the show started.
0:04.1	There are a few good nature expletives in this episode.
0:10.3	Hey, Slatsters, it's Mary.
0:12.3	Hear this music and you know it's Friday.
0:14.9	It's time to let our hair down, chat with a Slater about what they are pouring their soul into in the newsroom.
0:21.6	This week, I am so happy to have someone who is very special here.
0:26.6	I would call him a Slate National Treasure.
0:29.6	Wow.
0:30.6	Dan Koyce.
0:31.6	Dan, how long have you been at Slate at this point?
0:34.6	Thirteen and a half years.
0:36.6	Wow.
0:37.8	Do they give you a medal for that or like a small statuette?
0:40.7	No.
0:41.5	No.
0:42.0	We don't have the budget for that.
0:44.7	There's nothing in the budget for statuettes, Mary.
0:47.6	Okay.
0:48.1	Well, here's the thing you need to know about Dan.
0:50.2	Creativity like shoots out of his eyeballs and fingertips.
0:54.9	He writes novels.
0:56.4	He writes viral interviews that you have read.
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