Hey, it's Commander Listeners, it's Charlie here. We are so glad you love the show, and

we know there's still so much discussion and things to talk about, so many questions you

want answered. We really, really appreciate all your support and for listening and some of the

comments you've made, we've loved reading them. So for a little treat, we wanted to give you

kind of like a peek behind the curtain and dig a little deeper into who Amanda is and what she

did. So we've got a few bonus episodes for you. I've brought in Nancy Muscatello into the studio,

she was the woman who as opposed in a way brought Amanda down, you're the reason why she's in prison.

Yes, I think so. A little bit as I like to say, how many years was it in the end that you went after

Amanda? I started in 2015, so she went to jail in 2022. How does it feel that we're still talking

about this? It's really surprising that we still are. I thought for sure a way back when that

this would be a quick story that this would be, oh, they're going to get her quick, this should be

great, you know, let's just wait and then I'm going to be able to tell this story. Didn't happen

that way for sure. Nancy, there's been so many questions around this story, around Scamander and

around the show we've done. Amanda herself, we both had contact with her, you on a very different

level to me. And you know, when we talk about Scam, because I was quite reluctant in the first

place when I was kind of writing the description for the show and we were thinking about the tides

or with the whole Scam thing, because I feel like it's so much more than a scam. It's so much more

than a con. And it's so much more than money. Was it the fact that she needed attention? Do you

think, or do you think she believes her own lies? What do you think it is about Amanda that she did

this for so long? I do think that on some level, adolescent years or something, it was for the

attention. I think that that's what it's embedded in. But I think as she grew up and honed whatever

these skills are, that manipulation skills, I guess, or whatever you would call them, I think she

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