Hello, it's Andrea. A quick spoiler alert if you haven't yet listened to all of season four, but we had a rather big plot twist with the sudden death of Joe's mom while we were making this season.

Now losing a parent is always a huge deal but when your relationship with them was

fractured there are just so many added layers of complexity which is why I was so glad to talk to

Carly Osler, a therapist who specializes in complex PTSD and complex grief.

As ever on this show, I found that their advice was not only helpful in the context of the season, but helpful to me in understanding a bunch of my own feelings, and I think that you'll get a lot out of listening to the full conversation.

In the meantime, a reminder that we're now on YouTube, so if video is your jam and you want to see

my face, you can find us there.

And if you want even more new episodes while you're waiting on season five, you can

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