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Your thoughts on the verdict?

Well, you know, I've been obviously thinking about this and I think what's so important is the criminal

conviction but also there's a subtext all of this and that is it has shattered the

camouflaged world and life that Trump has. I mean it is a body blow to that and when I

did these interviews with him in 2020, the last year of his presidency,

I should have brought the audio of it, but this is a selection. So so Trump comes on and he says I have a reputation for not

being willing to apologize it It's wrong. I will apologize if I'm wrong. I asked when's the last

time you apologized? Trump. Oh I don't know but I think over a period I would apologize. Here's the thing. I'm never wrong. Now that's part of the camouflage, the clubiness of, well we know

better, we joke about these things. The dagger has been put in this with this indictment and conviction. And just today this morning he's talking and this is again the way the way he's talking and this is again the way he deals with the reality. This morning he talks about violent crime in New York City.

He said at all levels, it's awful, it's ever seen it this bad. Now the facts are back in 1990 there were 2,200 murders a year.

It's down 83 percent.

All crime is down.

But in this cavalier way, you know, it's not that way. Well, he is wrong. And I think we're going to see the evaporation of that camouflage that he's been

living in and that's the other side of this we're going to see and we saw it this morning.

He actually prepared a series of untruths to try to defend himself.

And I know him very well having done three books

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