Hi, it's Katie. You may not have expected to see us in your feeds this week,

considering it is a byweek for the show, but we wanted to drop a little bonus episode today with some material we ended up saving

from the conversation that I had with Caroline Burke for last week's show about the American Dream.

Toward the end of our conversation, we meandered into the Tradwife discourse, which is Caroline's

bread and butter on Tik-talk.

So enjoy. You did mention Trad Wives and I feel like I'd be

remiss to not open the Trad Wives can of worms. I love a hard night into

Trad Wives. Hard Right, that's exactly it. To open the can

a little further on the can of worms, because you kind of mentioned that the way in which people seemed more receptive to having these

types of conversations through the lens of pop culture that kind of initially sucks you in,

but what was it about the

trad wives specifically that sucked you in and why did that become such an area of

fascination for you? Yeah it's so funny it never something. It was like not in my bingo

card for my life to become like a drag wife expert, but the short and the long of

it is that I spent probably a decade creating and honing my beliefs about feminism and about politics

and I didn't share it online to a certain extent and I essentially stumbled into the

Tradewyve conversation. I started sharing a few tic-tocles on my

just about more satirical just saying like why am I suddenly obsessed with

finding a beehive oven in a house it's so weird the way that I'm obsessed with these accounts when I am in every way kind of in opposition. I exist in opposition to them. And so what happened was people started commenting and I realized that I had

something to say. Specifically I had something to say about media literacy, about

understanding the distinction between people and brands and I had

something to say from the feminist lens of how Tradwives are really a lightning rod

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