Hello following Harriet listeners. This is Tanner Latham, the executive producer of the podcast.

We've got another bonus episode that we'd like to share with you. It's a cross-collaboration with the Out There podcast, which you can find wherever you're listening.

Out There is a narrative show that explores big questions through intimate stories in the outdoors.

And their producers reached out to us because they were initially curious to know

if our research might have uncovered anything about Harriet Tubman's relationship with nature.

For example, did historians ever come across her thoughts or feelings about the outdoors and then they started

thinking deeper as in when we reflect on the idea of Harriet's life as the ultimate outdoors woman

could that empower people of color to reshape their personal narratives of freedom belonging race

and even the outdoors.

So that started a really interesting conversation with us and our partners at Virginia Tourism,

which turned into this episode called The Ultimate Outdoors Woman.

Okay, here's the host of Out There, Willow Belden. Enjoy.

Hi, I'm Willow Belden and you're listening to Out There, the podcast that explores big

questions through intimate stories outdoors.

Everyone knows Harriet Tubman as an activist and freedom fighter.

We all learned about her in school growing up, how she led slaves to freedom on the Underground Railroad.

But there was a lot more to her than what you probably remember from history class.

She was a daughter, a wife, an entrepreneur, and she was something else, too.

When you think about it, she had to be the ultimate outdoors woman, do what she did.

That's right, an outdoors woman.

We don't often talk about Harriet Tubman in that light,

or if we do, it's kind of a cautionary tale. Her experiences in the outdoors must have been so awful, so why would any sane black person want to go into the wilderness voluntarily?

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