Hello and greetings friends we've got a bonus Chappo episode for you today I'm backed up by Noah

Cohen our friend from Bloback who you might remember from such Chappo episodes,

is when he helped me interview journalist Tom O'Neill

about his book Chaos, which explores

the many connections between the CIA and the Manson murders.

On today's show, we have a similar case

that is sure to induce mental illness,

if you think too hard about it.

We are pleased to be joined by Zachary Treats

and Christian Hansen, the creators of a new Netflix documentary series, The Octopus Murders, Zachary Trights and Christian Hansen's Zachary and Christian, thanks for being with us.

Thank you so much.

Thanks so much.

Okay, so I've seen the first two episodes of this series,

and it is terrifying and fascinating.

And it's like, you want to, this is a story that goes back to the 1980s in 1990s but basically it starts with the you know I could say alleged suicide but it's my show so I will say the murder of an

investigative journalist named Danny Cassellaro and Christian I want to start with

you how did you first come to know about Danny Cassellaro's case and the subject he was

investigating at the time of his death? I really just stumbled upon it. I was

researching the private prison industry and one of the major players in that is this company called

the Wackenhut Corporation and in the early 80s Wackinut which is a private, basically a huge

private security conglomerate, had formed a joint venture

with an obscure tiny Native American tribe in the Coachella Valley and they had plans to manufacture

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