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I'm Tina Noll, founder of Large Media and producer of nobody should believe me.

I'm Andrea Dunlop, host and executive producer of nobody should believe me.

I'm Corrine Kilow, producer and editor at large media, and I'm moderating this episode today.

How did the idea of making this a podcast come about?

Since my novel, We Came Here,

I forget, came out in 2019,

I had been speaking more publicly

about the issue of my Chaus and by proxy and talking about my personal connection to it.

And as a part of that work, I got in touch with this amazing group of people that is the

Munch House and By Proxy Committee that's part of APSAC which is the American Professional Society

on the Abuse of Children's a big umbrella organization, all interdisciplinary, you know,

folks that work with kids.

Just hearing all of these stories from about other cases and really understanding that this was a much bigger issue than just

something that sort of affected a few families in this really isolated fashion, which I think is what

everyone felt feels like

when when they're going through it and then also just was struck by how

compelling these stories are and you were sitting there thinking I'm exactly

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