So we're here today with former FBI agent Donnie Miller, who you heard on the

podcast. He was the agent who interviewed Irene Flores and got her to confess to her and Hilton Crawford's

involvement the night before Hilton was arrested. And we're also here with Donnie's

son Austin Miller who originally came up with the idea of making a

podcast about the McKay Everett case and then brought it to KSL. So Austin, how did you first

hear about this story?

So with my dad, you know, him having been in the FBI, having an adventure's career,

anytime we went to church, soccer game, you know, people always wanted stories from him.

And so storytelling was just kind of something that happened in our family.

You know, I've heard his same five stories to neighbors that were, you know, rehearsed and he could

repeat him in five minutes or so.

But I wanted to know if he had anything that was worth telling in the longer format and he

started telling me about all of his, you know, buddy agents or, you know like okay I was expecting one of his five stories you know that he tells all the time and this was a new story and you know that kind of surprised me as he was going you know I was like okay he has a new story I don't know about this is interesting when he was telling me the story you could

tell he was emotional about it and I started asking like okay why did he keep this

story you know close to his chest for 20 something years.

What do it is about this story?

And when he was talking about the story,

you couldn't even mention the victim's name,

you know, was that emotionally jarring to him?

You know, this is coming from a guy who,

he worked in the violent crimes division,

so he put, you know, hundreds of violent felons

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