All right, there we go.

We're in business.

Hi, Phoebe.

Please don't put that close.

Welcome to Criminal Plus, I'm Phoebe Judge.

I'm Lauren Spore. You need to putbe Judge. I'm Lauren Spore.

I'm Lauren Spore.

And we are on 64 East in North Carolina.

We're actually passing the exit for the Nash Correctional Facility.

Lauren and I were there, I don't know, about 10 months ago doing a story about Philip Smith, Phil Smith and his newspaper, The Nash News, which is a newspaper created in prison.

And so we went to interview Phil Smith at the Nash Correctional

Facility and we're driving past it right now. And Phil just wrote me like a

month ago to say that he they finally were able to listen to the episode.

They had to wait months and months and months before the prison administration played it for them and he said something in an email like I hope I have the opportunity

to hear it a second time and I was really I'd never thought about that before that maybe he would only get to hear it once.

So here we are coming to you. We're doing this episode of Criminal Plus from the road.

From my car and to make it even more exciting. the tire pressure light is on the back right tire

pressure light is on on the back right tire so but we don't really have time to

stop and check it because we're on our way to an event and so there's no time so we just hope in a prayer that this tire pressure gauge is just off for some reason.

I mean if we break down on the side of the road that's the real behind the scenes content.

It's funny lately thinking about Phil Smith and not being able to listen to the

National News episode. It's funny to think about just how difficult it's been for us to share content with people who are incarcerated.

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