Hello, Prestige Head

Hello, Prestige heads, and welcome to American Prestige. I'm Danny Bessner, here as always

with my friend and comrade Derek Davison. And I am extremely excited to welcome to the podcast today.

My old friend, we've known each other a long time now, Stuart Schrader. Stuart is the author of Badges Without Borders,

and he's also an associate professor of history and the director of the Chloe Center for the critical

study of racism, immigration, and colonialism at Johns Hopkins University. And we've invited him to talk about

all things, police, ICE, and all of the things that have been going on with the security state, I don't know, in the last 70 or so years. So, Stuart, thanks very much for joining us. Glad to be here. So there's a lot of different places to start. But why don't we start really with Badges Without Borders? And if anyone hasn't picked up this book, pick it up, Stuart. I always joke. I always have the Stuart Schrader footnote in my articles.

And it's like, for the police and IRC, Stuart Schrader.

So it's a classic footnote.

And it's really one of those books.

That's what I call a reading list book.

It is foundational, really important work that examines the origins of modern American

policing. So before we get into what's going on today, why don't we start there? And you can really

start wherever you think best to help people understand what's going on with the police,

militarization, and us will talk about a bit later, ICE. Sure.

Well, I think that the kind of most important piece to understand for the present that is the

central argument of my book is that we need to pay attention to the history of U.S.

Empire to make sense of contemporary policing.

I mean, my book, you know, basically covers the height of the Cold War, the late 40s to the 70s,

doesn't go up to the present.

And there are some disjunctures, but obviously also many continuities.

But the book mainly looks at the way that the United States,

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