Welcome to ThinkBibically, a podcast brought to you by Talbot School Theology Biola University.

I'm your host Sean McDowell, Professor of Christian Apologetics.

Today we've got an interview for you I think you're going to find

really interesting and we're here with Jack Phillips, author of a new book called The

Cost of my Faith, but you probably recognize him because he has been at the heart of a Supreme Court case and really what might be called a cultural battle over religious freedom owns a cake shop in Colorado, and refused to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding, and, to put

it bluntly, all hell broke loose, so to speak culturally speaking and Jack is with us today as well

Jonathan Scruggs from ADF to Wayne if any legal issues come up Jack I'm so honored you would be on this call.

And let me just ask you a question.

I'm so curious.

Just tell me the backstory before we get into some of the issues of the case and

culture of what's going on.

How did you become a baker and why did you

want to do this in the first place? Well in the cost of my faith I tell about

that story. I grew up with just I loved art so I was always drawing and painting and sculpting and

and then in my senior year of high school we had to sit down and talk with a

career counselor he asked me what do you want to do? I told him,

I'd like to be an architect. And he looked at my transcripts and he says, you don't have the mouth for it.

Okay. I thought that would be handy information a couple of years ago and I need to

what's your next choice I'd like to be an artist there's no money in it so I end up

getting you know a job as a laborer I guess but a man across the street from

he owned a large wholesale bakery and he was gracious enough to hire me and

soon I fell in love with baking so put the two together.

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