Hello everyone and welcome to Unsold!

After Dark! That's right Amy, this is an after dark episode of Unspool because after our conversation with Karina about the erotic 90s and talking about these films,

you and I have been having these conversations off and on throughout the podcast for a long time about sex scenes and films and what makes them interesting.

We talked about it when we looked at Brokeback Mountain, we talked about it in fatal attraction and I was recently on Savage Love, which is Dance Average's podcast and you know Dance Average as a sex advice calmness to an a podcaster and author, he's great, he's articulate, he's funny.

He's personally one of my favorite writers, that man puts a sentence together like nobody's business.

He really is just a true word Smith but also can talk about things that I think people can get tongue tied with, right? You know he can go right into it and I thought it might be really interesting to have a conversation with him because when I was on his show and you should listen to the episode that I'm on you Amy but everybody listening maybe because it's a great show.

We were talking about sex and film and Dan said something to me, he said, you know I'm uncomfortable watching sex and film and I thought that was really interesting because you would thank the guy who you know obviously has this brand and and writes this amazingly forward thinking and openly embracing every kind of culture, sexual culture out there would be loving sex and film.

You need to say I feel uncomfortable with it and I thought that would be really interesting to talk to him but what he finds to be a little bit off putting about it so I thought we could sit down with him today and have this conversation about the state of sex in cinema.

Oh, we have to do this man because as we're welcoming him on today I'm here about people are protesting that Sydney, Sweeney is going to be in an R rated rom-com with Glenn Powell and people like, well, has it got to be R?

That means it's going to be a little uncomfortable and too sexy sexy and I'm like, man, I feel like we need this.

I feel like we need it.

Well, it's so funny because that article or that conversation point has also been put right next to Chris Evans and Anna Diarmus in their film going like, well, they don't have chemistry but but Glenn Powell and she has it.

They have chemistry and it's like, what makes chemistry? What makes what do we want to see? Because I think sometimes it's not only about two attractive people simulating sex but I think there's something else there that makes it fun, that makes it interesting, that makes it exciting.

I think back to the end of super bad and when they're about to have sex like the awkwardness, the funniness, the kind of all the elements of sex and it can't be too cool and not to bring it back to comedy but my friend was working with me.

My friend was working on a sketch comedy show with a very famous rapper, probably can figure it out but the rapper refused to do anything that made him look stupid and it was really hard because like, well, you're doing a sketch comedy show like part of being a sketch comedy that you look stupid.

And I think that maybe that's something to talk about here like the idea of like, what do you have to expose of yourself is sex sometimes I'm film too cool, too quick, too aggressive. I don't know. I think we have to bring in our guest and have this conversation with him.

So without any further ado, please welcome Dan Savage Dan. I'm so excited to have you on the show like I mentioned when I was on your podcast, the Savage Love podcast, we talked a little bit about sex and film.

And I wanted to continue that conversation here and kind of pick your brain about bad sex scenes, good sex scenes, what's working, what's not working, the whole thing. So welcome.

Thank you for having me. You apparently have run out of people to talk to. It's the only reason I can figure out why I'm here but delighted to be here.

I had such a great time on your show and we talked about this. I think at the end of the segment that I did about like sex scenes in movies and obviously your podcast, you talk a lot about sex.

But it's a weird thing. Sex scenes in movies are at least in my opinion because sometimes I feel this repulsion to some of them.

And then sometimes it feels too chased. It's like it's a hard thing to kind of hit. Like what is or what makes a good sex scene.

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